A look at myths and inaccurate claims surrounding carbs on both sides of the aisle...from carb lovers and carb haters.
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90+% of fat stored was from fat study:
30% of energy wasted when converting carbs to fat study:
Thermogenesis paper 1:
Thermogenesis paper 2:
Obese people exhibit less thermogenesis:
Obesity genes small difference in weight:
Whale on Wheels 'I gained 60 kg on Sugar Mountain:
Kempner Rice Diet and Diabetes:
Intramyocellular Lipids ROBUST Indicator of Insulin Resistance:
Vegan BMI and Diabetes Risk:
Barnard Study citing lower Intramyocellular lipids in vegans:
Wow - anything BUT level-headed... "Relative Risk" is dodgy use of statistics. Also, need to discuss "the elephant in the room" - That we evolved over the last 2.5million years to be the species we are now because we ate animals. If meat was as evil as you claim then we would have perished during the last ice-age, yet here we are... Animal fat provides us with the best/dense energy source to fuel our large brains. Have a read about Kleibers Law - amazing bit of unbiased science
Thanks for this video. I don't know if you answer questions on here or not, but on the off chance you do: I've been WFPB for almost 4 months now and definitely don't plan on ever not eating this way because I feel amazing and have seen my cholesterol drop about 60 points. What hasn't changed is my weight. I'm about 40 lbs overweight and have only lost half a pound in 4 months. Before reading studies and understanding the effects of a vegan diet on health, I followed an ultra low carb diet (about a year ago) and lost 20 lbs in 4 months but don't want to do that again because I feel better now than I did then, and I just know too much to go back. I'm eating the same amount of calories now as I was during the diet so I'm just a bit befuddled. Why does this happen?
There is nothing wrong with carbs but too many and not enough exercise, you will get fat. Carbs turn into fat unless metabolized for energy quickly. I prefer the Keto diet. I now have a six pack. No other time in my life did I get one until I took carbs out my diet. Vegans like to talk in absolutes and extremes all the time. A vegan diet may agree with some but not others. I like red meat and salad. That's all I eat and I'm as healthy as a horse, strong too.
How can you claim that this is a level-headed review when you make statements like "thermogenesis doesn't happen as much with fat"
Have you even bothered to look at the effects of ketones on adipose via mitochondrial UCP-1?
This is just one example from the video. Mic tends to make sweeping statements that align with his agenda without presenting any evidence to support it.
Oh the other one, "turning carbs to fat would not be an effective evolutionary strategy"
Are you kidding me? There are many examples of animals getting themselves fat for the winter by overreacting carbs e.g. ripe fruit.
You cannot have a level-headed review if you ignore one entire side of the research.
Just pointing that out for the people blindly accepted everything Mic says as gospel
Whats up with blood types and some "needing meat" because your of a certain blood type?! I am a type O and should be consuming meat... Wheres the science?!
Love the videos and your fight for real information to the people keep it up, your awesome! :D
wtf is the high sugar diet about? It seems crazy and must be. What else can happen to those consuming that much sugar, vegan or not? Please advise Mic. I want to hear your thoughts on that 'diet' in more depth please. Thanks (and keep up the good work).
Mic, I am so glad I watched this video and I am proud of you for (almost) admitting that it is the COMBINATION of fat and carbs that is actually the major issue in the chronic diseases of modern civilization. You are so close to the truth about food! If you were willing to take the blindfold off regarding recent progress in science you might actually be able to help your subscribers make a REAL EDUCATED CHOICE!! Great vid. Please keep trying!
Hey Mic!! Thanks for all your great videos! We appreciate the time you put into all your research. It is great to hear you shout out another YouTuber! You should check ME out!! I make yummy vegan whole food plant based recipes! S.o.s. free!! We only have 29 subscribers.
Mic, saw this on Reddit today. Maybe you could make a response video? New study saying dairy fat isn't bad. Always love a good de-bunking. https://www.uth.edu/media/story.htm?id=1692785a-5886-46e8-8186-230d71b834ac
Hey Mic. The Vegan: is this the first non dairy funded study to show the benefits of dairy. Going so far as to say it may help prevent stroke? I couldn’t find the funding area to show any backing by big dairy. See here: https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/advance-article/doi/10.1093/ajcn/nqy117/5052139?guestAccessKey=c18b1acf-2778-42b9-8d72-878c0e86cdbf
But what does it mean? Did the people eating more dairy eat less chicken and pork, and dairy fat is somewhat less harmful than fat from chicken and pork? They don't have a vegan comparison group, and it's worth noting one third of them died from heart disease, which is a very high rate. Also, alcohol consumption is much higher in the lowest fat group. And you're still "reducing stroke risk" only in comparison to people who may also be eating a pretty unhealthy diet. VERY thoughtfully done, but the restriction of dietary range of subjects and lack of other data on what they ate leaves me scratching my head.
That "DURIANRIDER" piece of shit guy is a SOCIOPATHIC-PATHOLOGICAL NARCISSIST. I have studied Pathological Narcissists a LOT --- way too much if you ask me -- and those pathological insane motherfuckers are absolute compulsive liars and they basically prey on the weak. He is even worse than a Pathological Narcissist because he is also Sociopath.
Those motherfuckers are pathological and COMPULSIVE LIARS and they want to DESTROY OTHER PEOPLE. That is why he is trying CONSTANTLY to put out the THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE DIETS EVER >>> it is to be able to hurt AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE.
That motherfucker needs to be in Prison for all the fucked up shit I have seen the piece of shit do.
No mention of fructose? It's worth mentioning as it's not like the other sugars/carbs. Fructose can only be metabolized by the liver, which converts it into a more usable form. The problem with this is that it's the liver that performs de novo lipogenesis, meaning more fats (triglycerides) are produced. Lab studies in other animals have shown there was a positive correlation with triglycerides and increased fructose- I believe it also makes you more susceptible to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. Fructose can be found in many fruits but thanks to the fiber in those fruits, it's more of a slow burn and is more filling than it would be for refined sugar/HFCS. People with weight problems should stay away from refined sugars (sucrose is broken down to glucose and fructose) and high fructose corn syrup as much as they can. Honey can be just as bad.
Hi, first of all, you're awesome. And secondly, could you make a video about alleged brain shrinkage on a vegan diet? I'm quite new to the movement and I find myself worried. Would appercite someone knowledgable presenting facts. 😊
The vast majority of people's brains shrink as they age, so that's not as unusual as it sounds. Try this short video summarizing some related research:
All the large, healthy, slim and diabetes-free populations have historically gotten the vast majority of their calories from whole food carbs. And they ate very little fat (often 5-15% of calories). I believe you're confusing processed carbs with whole food carbs.
I'm impressed by how well your videos are always prepared. I've been vegetarian for around 6 months now, and I'm getting closer to going vegan. Your videos are a big big BIG motivation to do so - thank you! 🌱
So I just recently went oil free. I was wondering if you eat cocoa butter? My brother and I couldn’t decide if it were oil or not. It is theobroma oil, but it’s from cocoa beans. And is peanut butter considered oil because of peanut oil?
I love this channel for all the honesty it brings. Carbs are wonderful fueling the brain and body. That "fat is good" claims roaming around the internet are lies. What is logically better a banana or a sausage for good health? Both can be used in fun ways other than eating but obviously the banana will be healthier. It has no awful fats, cholesterol, or salt in it. It's fiber, good carbs, and full of vitamins. At night my husband gives me the only sausage I want in my body.
Whole Food Plant Based eating is INCREDIBLE! I am over 50 days binge-free now after struggling with crippling binge eating disorder for almost a decade. (I've been diagnosed for 4 years but recieved no help with it). I've stopped binges because eating in this way has eliminated my problematic foods and allows me to feel full and satisfied after every meal.
I've started to share my experience of overcoming binge eating with a WFPB diet on my channel too!
Eaten meat is much better than eating sugary candy, cakes, or chocolate. That will kill you. I'm 94 tomorrow and I've eaten raw meat, cat fish, chickens, pigs, and even some monkey when I traveled to Africa. Meat won't kill you. What will is not eating meat.
People lose stubborn body fat when they raise their metabolism through exercise, reduce carb consumption and teach the system to burn fat for fuel. This is how bodybuilders get into contest shape do it. They don't need studies. Bodybuilders learn by practical application. They have tried all kinds of diets and the best to shed the body of fat is ketosis type diet. I guarantee Mic The vegan's body is a skinny Fat type. I'll bet he has a layer of fat over his belly. The reason is he eats carbs and the body will never tap into them for energy. Why would it? For every study out there claiming something, you can find another claiming the opposite. What to believe? Believe what happens in the real world with your own 2 eyes.
Carbs are Death !, I really want to see, how many off your subs is Death, if they do what you say, ill guess you will kill at least 70% Off the subs,, Dr Natasha Cambell,! CARBS ARE DEATH, GO VEGAN AND DIE SLOWLY !.... you can only get Vitamin A C D F b6 b12 k6 and k12 Via Animal Food !!!
how are you feeeling good by lying to 240k Retarted people, you are trying to kill 240k Retards, you Could have a bullet in the Head, Becouse that is Direktly Manslaugter on a 1/4 Million people !!! i hope , some here has a brain, and Put you i jail for ever !
to Much Carbs is Death, and that you say that the people who eat 85% Carbs at Day , is a Total Lie, you Fraud, you are 99,99 Bateria only 0,1 Human, the outer is only the shal,, the People who eat Eggs , Meat, etx, with lived on the ketosis diet, with is 85% Fat only 15 Carbs, WAS THE LONGEST LIVING AND HEALTHY ON THIS FLAT EARTH, you Fraud!!!! , THIS GUY HAS NOW BEEN EXPOSED AS A FRAUD!!!!!, Listen to "Sv3rige" and Dr Natasha Chambell, Retard. you Could been looked up i Jail for the rest of your Life, for 2 Degree Murder, !!! Carbs = 0 ENERGI!!!!!!!! Its POSION !!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks Mic, now I am super confused with carbs. Hahaha just playing. All jokes aside, this is a great video with a lot of great information, the more people that know this information, the better, because almost every one I know thinks that carbs are evil. I really liked the diabetes part, going to share it with my dad right now, something that he NEEDS to know. Thank You so much Mic, awesome video keep them coming please
Cite any many "studies" you want, but the truth is, when super-rich actors/actresses have to lose a lot of weight in a short period of time, they almost always limit their carb intake, especially those refined carbs and sugar, as per the recommendations of their nutritionists and health trainers.
And let's not forget what ad played before this video just now: Bob Harper from Biggest Loser, who was supposed to be one of those super-smart trainers and weight-loss experts you're talking about, yet he didn't know enough about nutrition science to know his diet was making him vulnerable to a heart attack AND didn't know what diet would drop his risk to near zero. Science, studied and interpreted carefully, knows all sorts of things this self-appointed experts don't know.
I don't think you followed what I said. I said that YES, that's a good way to drop a lot of weight in the short run, but low-fat has yielded similar results. Furthermore, based on the best available research, the healthiest diets for overall long-term health and staying slim over the long haul are much higher on carbs. And OF COURSE they should cut out refined grains and added sugar forever, but eating a LOT of WHOLE FOOD carbs is strongly associated with being slim and healthy and we know why (among other things, it greatly improves insulin sensitivity, so you more efficiently burn carbs, as your body was designed to do).
Actually, I'm a researcher who studies, among other things, how people get fooled by research and after you've studied this for years, you discover consistent patterns in the various ways people get fooled. For starters, lots of doctors, trainers, and nutritionists simply don't know nutrition research very well nor do they understand how the limitations of various types of studies make them useless for making conclusions about how to eat. And most of them are blinded by biases caused by their own diets or "received wisdom." So I regularly read people from Harvard or Duke publishing articles in JAMA of NEJM and making conclusions and recommendations that cannot be justified based on their research design and data collection methods. For example, a study whose design makes it a pure research study shouldn't be telling anyone how to eat based on their results--the lack of ecological validity and the restriction of range involved mean the study should state no implications at all for how we eat. But that doesn't stop people--they take hopelessly flawed correlational studies and splash misleading headlines from coast to coast.
"You're so dumb and just cite another one of those studies. LOL. No wonder high carb diets make you dumb."
Since you brought up carbs and brains, eating whole grains as part of a VLF WFPB diets appears to be neuroprotective. Here's a 3+-minute video summarizing the results of a dozen studies on the matter:
Karl Yeah right. Those top-notch nutritionists and health trainers are all dumbasses 'cause they ignore this all-important studies that you guys keep citing and keep telling their actor/actress clients to cut down on carbs instead of cutting down on fats. It's one thing that certain life style can get you slimmer, and it's entirely another thing that you gotta do something about your issue of being obese or overweight. You're so dumb and just cite another one of those studies. LOL. No wonder high carb diets make you dumb.
You CAN lose weight very fast on either very low fat or very low carb (which is what the science, not celebrities teach us). But long term, worldwide, the slimmest people eat the least fat (most carbs) and the fattest eat the most fat.
Here's a meta-analysis of 43 different studies on the matter:
"Diets lower in total fat led to lower total body weights, compared with diets higher in fat, according to a new review published in the British Medical Journal. Researchers analyzed 43 studies with more than 180,000 participants from developed countries and determined that the lower the fat intake, the lower the body mass index (a measure of body weight adjusted for height), the smaller the waist size, and the greater the weight loss. Lower fat intake was also associated with lower levels of total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, and blood pressure.
Hooper L, Abdelhamid A, Moore HF, Douthwaite W, Skeaff CM, Summerbell CD. Effect of reducing total fat intake on body weight: systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials and cohort studies. BMJ. Published online December 6, 2012."
Yes, I am more confused than ever, lol!! I need time to put everything in order in my head cos I've seen YouTube videos after another on veganism and nutrition, etc and everything is just swirling around my brain like miscellaneous objects floating in pool of water, lol!! Recently, I saw this video https://youtu.be/jXXGxoNFag4 what can we understand from this? I thought having ketones present (in the liver) are not good for us? I'm so confused! Or how about Mikhaila Peterson and her zero carb diet (in other words only animal meat diet) because she has/had arthritis, depression, etc??!! https://youtu.be/jrF4aJvdU-A How about the microbiome in our gut and gut health?? Everything is interconnected, yes? I wish I could put everything in order in my brain, lol!! Need to make notes and study more like you Mike!! 😉😀 Thanks for the info as always!! Keep up the good work!!! 💕
I like you a lot! I've watched a lot of vegan videos but I like your style a lot more than most. Science based nutrition is the way to go, no matter if the best choice is always the vegan choice or not.
Very educational video ! Keep it up
I have a question, are baked beans unhealthy? I’m curious simply because I eat them regularly but as a rule I don’t eat processed food, so should I cut them from my diet
Yo Mike, I have a question, I recently became a vegan and am really enjoying how my lifestyle has changed, I eat far less refined sugar, and lots more fruit and veg than I ever have :D although, I cook with a lot of coconut milk and eat lots of avocados and high fat food. Just wondering how you think a high sat fat intake would effect an otherwise pretty healthy diet? Love your videos by the way keep it up! Education at its finest :)
These girls that gained all this weight certainly did not do enough exercise, or any at all. Pretty sure Durianrider didn't say you can consume 2500 calories per day of carbs while having a body and lifestyle that requires only 1100 calories and not gain a pound. What he was saying is that sugar/carbs does not specifically equate to making one gain weight, which is how he demonstrated this by throwing sugar into his diet and weighing himself every day to show zero weight gain over a period of time. He continues to say that 'carbs don't make you fat' and 'fruit doesn't make you fat', and they don't, unless you eat more than you require for your energy expenditure, whether refined or not.
Ive done the high carb whole foods diet, and i felt like shit. Just eat healthy and find what ratio works for you. Fats arent bad for you, please tell me how an avacodo or almonds is going to kill me. I get the saturated fat arguement, but why do we have to target all fats.
CARBS ARE LIFE! Ahhh and I know... random comment so HELLO vegan fam and random person scrolling through the comment section! xD I hope you're doing great... Just like Mic, I too am really passionate about spreading this message and inspiring people to better their life through a healthy, plant based and natural way of living + eating! If any of this happens to interest you then be sure have a look and know I value and appreciate your time, and if it doesn't, then have awesome day anyways! PEACE & LOVE
Hey Mic! Good video as usual. Thoughts on why the refined carbs can cause trouble/extra fat in the body: was reading Dr Campbell’s WHOLE and in it he mentions the mistake of breaking down food into simplified vitamin combos like on most health food shelves. His point is that because there are so many micronutrients in whole food interrelationships we don’t understand or acknowledge, that are supporting our function on a micro level (and have for many millennia) it’s a mistake to just take synthesized nutrients and expect the body will even recognize them let alone utilize them. He make the same point somewhere else in the book about pharma drugs as opposed to whole plants or food they are derived from. This made me think of the snack “foods” constantly around us, even the “whole grain” and “organic” ones, that are nothing but ultra refined substances that the body probably doesn’t recognize well if at all and looks to dump most of into the body rather than use. And one of the features of body fat, I’m led to understand, is encapsulating toxins/foreign substances the body doesn’t know what to do with.
One of the most annoying things I hear from people is that they don't eat carbs, and if you take a basic anatomy class you'll learn that most of our energy is supposed to come from carbs!! Why are people so scared!? Thanks Mic for another great vid.
It's so annoying to me when people say, "Being vegan isn't necessarily healthy. You might eat too many carbs." Whatttttt? If you're eating potatoes, rice (even white rice), beans, corn, whole wheat pasta, and winter squash, you're fine. Try that "I went vegan and got really sick, aka the leafy green salad diet" for a week, and tell me how that works. Here's a clue, it won't. Whole starches, carbs from whole plant foods, are the only way you're guaranteed to get enough calories from a healthy source of food. Thanks Mic, for all your videos. Loved this one!!
Apparently carbs are VERY beneficial for both the thyroid and hypothalamus. Those vegans that went low-fat or dropped loads of weight and had issues with their periods could be because of "hypothalamic amennorhea" and one way to heal from it is to consume lots of calories from all macronutrient sources. I'd love it if you could do a video on your findings with it! :)
I definitely agree on the whole, but I do also think it's important to dip into a fasted or ketotic state every now again to wake up those pathways in the brain and body (ketogenesis, autophagy, apoptosis). We are some of the first generations to be constantly calorically replete since we seldom fast or go through famines. I like doctor Longo's work and his fasting mimicking diet. His research is well supported by his "5 pillars". I just did my first keto experiment and the benefits to my brain were just incredible; however I don't think ketosis is the natural state of the body and I feared a lot for my kidneys. Also regarding the gasoline analogy - based on my personal research (many sources, not!all of them scientific) eating higher fat seems safe for your arteries as long as insulin is kept low. Anyway, overall a great video. I love potatoes.
sarvi I think fasting is great for the mind and spirit! Physically there is apparently a risk of lean tissue mass loss with prolonged or repeated fasting and we just don't have studies on how the body recovers or if it may cause lasting effects (I. E. frailty or osteoporosis in old age? Hypothetical.).
I still have a bit of carbphobia, especially with white potatoes. I defo eat more carbs now I'm vegan. I've lost weight but I've gotten fatter (my clothes fit tighter) I think I've lost quite a lot of muscle :/ im never going back to eating animals. Please shout "those annoying vegans" out. I know you're buds with them but im so surprised that they aren't growing more than I thought they would
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